So far in the readings that we have done in this class this is one of the most interesting for me. The “pleasure principle” in itself, it’s relation to the “reality principal” and to the phenomena of repressed memory is absolutely fascinating for me.
Let me share more specific examples from the text. One of the points that caught my attention in part one of the text, where we have the idea that when one is powerless in a certain situation, in other words when one is passive, repeating the experience in a way that puts the person in an active position is in itself a source of pleasure. The author derives this idea from the child’s tendency to play the game of making his toys “gone” and then having them back, imitating the disappearance of his mother, over which he has no control, by throwing his toys away, going from passive to active. So despite the connection of this game with an unpleasant experience, being in control brings a sense of pleasure to the child. Those of us who are control freaks can relate I guess :)
Another passage that surprised me was where Freud suggests that sometimes children, who are to my understanding for him the representation of the adults, tend to repeat terrifying experiences to which they were subjected, as an operation or a visit to the doctor, but they change the situation around by becoming the perpetrator of the action, as if revenging themselves “on a substitute” (p. 170). This idea seemed sadistic to me, and I would like to believe that it is not true. I think we can say that the reason why a child might repeat such a game comes from the fascination that they have from the experience or because the experience left a strong impression on them. Also if what he is saying is true then the child who went to the doctor or had an operation should always be the “doctor” in the game and should not accept to be the “sick” person. Usually children take turns so I don’t think that’s the case. I just can’t really agree completely on his suggestion that they are trying to take revenge on a substitute.
"why would one want to repeat an experience that brings them suffering and which is unpleasant?"
ReplyDeleteThis is exactly Freud's question: can the repetition of what is unpleasant ultimately still be explained by the pleasure principle or not? (Ultimately, he says, it can't be.)
Do you think then that children are innocent then (till the age of 9 or so? ;-) ) and incapable of cruelty, meanness, and inducing harm?
ReplyDeleteI think that Freud contends that the compulsion to repeat is independent of the pleasure principle and repetition is not intended for mastery, although it may seem to be the case; I think Freud is arguing that the compulsion to repeat has to be repressed, and that the compulsion is from higher system in the mind than causes the repression in the first place. The partly unconscious ego (pleasure seeking) resists repetition which is unpleasant; bizarrely, the repetitions are both pleasant and unpleasant, i.e. the revival of instinctual satisfaction and the loss of love. The outcome is always the same and that of loss and deception. No fun, eh?